Showing posts with label expectancy. Show all posts
Showing posts with label expectancy. Show all posts

Wednesday, August 6, 2008

Commissions are eating up my profit

I've decided to go back to virtual trading until I have 100 to 200 "trades" under my belt. I've been risking far fewer dollars, but when I make 4 trades a day it eats up $56. That's not a big deal when I'm risking $1,000 per trade. But when I'm risking $100, it doesn't make sense.

So, my plan is to figure out an expectancy for my system so that I can get an idea of what I should risk (and if I should even trade the system). I'll let you know when I get it figured out.

Today I lost 1.83 times my risk. I forced several trades against my better judgment. I should have done better.

Sunday, March 23, 2008

More on Expectancy

I asked my brilliant wife to help me work out some issues I was having with calculating information for the two screens I wrote about in the previous post. She insisted that I needed a measurement of risk for each trade. I insisted that I didn't. She was right.

So I went back and re-calculated the expectancy for each screen and edited the post with more accurate information. What I learned in trying to figure things out is that the expectancy of each screen will measure the average risk of a trading system. For example, the Zweig RS 5 screen's expectancy is .18. So, if you make 100 trades you should average about 18 times the risk that you took on each trade over those 100 trades. The system produced 244 trades over 2007, so if you risked 1% of your portfolio value on each trade you should expect about a 43.92% return over the year.

I went back and applied a 10% stop loss to all the losing trades to even out some of the larger losses that probably would have been avoided with a stop loss. I know that a few of the gainers would be stopped out as well, but I didn't take that into account. A 10% stop loss shoots the expectancy up to .79. Nice. That brings an expectation of a 193% yearly return risking 1% per trade on 244 trades.

Using expectancy and risk analysis allows you to make better decisions about your system and your stop losses, while allowing you a better way to compare systems. This is the first time since I started trading that I have analyzed things in this way and it has really helped me get a better handle on what I am doing. I think that I can get to the point where my emotions and feelings don't control my trading behavior. I no longer will need to labor over the placement of stops, or obsess over finding the "perfect" system.

Thursday, March 20, 2008

Scott Carl -- Amateur Trader

I can't stand it when I get beat by the averages. I lose more than they do when they go down, and I gain less than they do when they go up. That's how this whole stupid week has been. I haven't stuck to my plan at all (yes, I've been sidetracked again).

Today I made a measly .45%--mostly because of massive selling in my account yesterday. I just haven't got the knack for balancing the downsides and the upsides. It was rare that I felt that way last year, and maybe it's the market as a whole that isn't quite right. I don't know.

I re-read Trade Your Way to Financial Freedom by Van K. Tharp over the last week. I'm surprised by the amount of information I didn't digest the first time I went through it. Both Trader Mike and Chris Perruna have excellent articles about what they learned from the book.

I really didn't understand the whole concept of risk the first time I read the book. I made sure that I didn't loose more than 1% of my portfolio on any one trade, but I had no measure of expectancy or the value of the risk that I was taking (or making) on each trade.

I went back though the Zweig Relative Strength 5 and the Zacks & Zweig #1 screens to calculate (based on weekly data) what the expectancy of each of those screens were during 2007. I calculated based on a buy on Monday and a sell everything on Friday. Here's the data:

Zack's and Zweig #1 2007
Total Trades=135
Winners=79 (59%)
Losers=56 (41%)
Average Gain=4.0%
Average Loss=3.20%
Expectancy=.32

Zweig Relative Strength 5 2007
Total Trades=244
Winners=139 (57%)
Losers=105 (43%)
Average Gain=5.33%
Average Loss=4.95%
Expectancy=.18

Just looking at those numbers would convince most people that both systems wouldn't even beat the market. Neither one produced even 60% winners. The spread between winners and losers wasn't even one percent. But both beat the market handily. ZZ#1 made 44.64% and Zweig RS 5 made 46.70 without any sort of money management.

I've been really lazy about tracking my trades and I really have no idea the risk (R) I took on each trade. I hope to change that now.